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@44-8xLegend 11 July 2025 at 24:13 + 35547 Yes but you're skipping ahead if we take those rumors to be true we have to be honest, those rumors weren't there in ''17 they weren't there in ''18 they weren't there in ''21 and they weren't there in ''22 those rumors only came AFTER Horner's wheelgun gate and AFTER he (Horner) excluded Jos Verstappen from an earlier agreed classic car race out of spite for his criticism. Only after that Jos Verstappen started to say and probably behind the scenes demand Horner to either be sacked of have much of his powers removed. I don't think Max is or was unaware of where his father/team are pushing for i do thing he will have some distance, so he can focus on racing and not inter-team battles.00:19
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Yeah they should Fire Newey and hire him Aston top off the standings instantly..17-07-2025 16:28
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They don't need proof they have copium17-07-2025 11:30
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*if* that is how it happened you *might* have a point. However, Horner was not sacked last year after the ''wheelgungate'' because off the thai owner, Red Bull in the meantime has solved that issue so he was not protected anymore. Bearing that in mind once again the stories resurfaced that ''Verstappen camp wanted him out'' which is not what ''Verstappen camp was saying'' Verstappen camp or better said Jos Verstappen was saying the only way to get peace back in the team if for Horner to be sacked. And out of pure spite Horner blocked Jos Verstappen participating in a heritage car race. So motives enough for the Verstappen camp but being a company like Red Bull i think there are enough motives for them to want to get rid of a employee like Horner too, so what makes you state *it's all Verstappens big masterplan and he would be very shitty if he goes like you think the rumors told you it went* reality is very simple we don't know, and we can't know there where more then enough reasons to sack Horner. even if you beleive all those conspiracy;s16-07-2025 22:03
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Yes but i think you're missing his point, his point is not ''a 50 year old should not be doing things with a 20 year old'' his point is Horner was in his view action like a 20 years old partying and not worrying about the consequences, that went wrong.11-07-2025 11:33
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I don't agree with you mate, the car is clearly not keeping up, but Yuki and all other teammates including Perez last years had a hard time getting the car even in Q2 and he put the car on Pole regularly or and even won 2 races. That clearly shows the car/team might be in decline the drivers isn't In contrary to Hamilton who is outperformed by his teammate, both at Ferrari as the last years at Mercedes. Nothing wrong with that considering his age however it does show and difference if you talk about driver or car in decline.10-07-2025 23:43
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i'm normally with you on not buying into rumors, i try to ignore the rumors articles for an reason.(however given the amount of them it has become increasingly difficult )Having said that if you read multiple different reading based on rumors and or personal experiences, (Ralf Schumacher for example) is that Horner could be very friendly unless you criticised him, and that's very consistent with how Red Bull has been run and/or his comments on Wheatley leaving. Alltough Mekkies has said something in the lines off ''following Horners footsteps'' the two others that quit/got fired yesterday implies something else. That is a bit of a tricky one because Max leaving is a certainty according to some media and if he now stays they will use that to say ''yeah we where correct but he stayed because of Horner being kicked out'' i mean it can be true but the main one from the Verstappen camp wanting Horner out was Jos Verstappen, Max didn't really care as long as they delivered a fast car. Oh wow i didn't hear about the Marko thing, yes then hrner dug his own grave probably also not aware of the thai owner selling 2% she he didn't have the deal with it anymore. Thus making the decision easy for Red Bull gmbh. And in all honesty i also think it much better for the team.10-07-2025 15:08
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I known i don't have to agree with you, totally fair that you have your reasons for it, i was just clarifying because i agree with other things you said. Yes you do have a point that Horner was working there for 20 years however a driver's career is much much shorter so im comparision it;s not that different, if we need to beleive the rumor mill then it also didn;t come without warning, and he has been given multiple chances. Mekkies is more like binotto i think we would have less Brown and horner like bitchfights, but also i don't thin Wache will be in his position for long if he keeps on aying he doesn't understand whats happening. Mekkies was at Racing bulls just long enough to withness and direct the Racing Bulls car that is not performing bad at all this season. So i assume that are extra arguments why they might have chosen to swap him now, also in light of the ''26 regulations. Red Bull clearly lost it after Newey, so i understand the mid-season swap. Although i agree with you the way how they did it is very strange.10-07-2025 00:40
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I don't agree with your hate for Horner (not saying i like or love the dude either just to be clear) but leaving that aside It's indeed very scummy way to let go of your CEO of 20 years. About sacking halfway trough the season, that's at least consistent with the philosophy they have let many drivers go mid-season so i don't see why the Ceo should have ''finish the job protection'' Whati notice is that they promoted Mekkies who happens to be the Racing Bulls ceo whom saw them from backbencher to regular point scorers so i think they also see more potential in Mekkies saying the (currently) sinking ship. It can off course also be true that Verstappen does move to Mercedes.09-07-2025 17:31
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The thing you have is the ''dory syndrome'' anything two sentence further you don't seem to remember, you ignore it in the first response to insert it in a different context in a other response. So let me remind you, the nonsense bit was about you saying ''Max doesn't have a right to speak'' that is not an opinion it's claiming someone should ''shut up'' that why i called nonsense and i also explained to you that we have a system of the FIA that makes the rules, the Stewards that enforce then and a penalty system for drivers if they go over that line. I really can't do anything with your ''Max fans this and that, i mean you complain about me saying you talk from you behind and then you prove me right by talking more out of you're behind, i mean if you gonna put the bal in front f the goal are you really gonna blame me for making that goal? sorry not sorry. Well Hamilton got a penalty in ''21 for hitting Max into the Wall at 200mph or something, i mean penalties are meant as a punishment but they do have limits, none of the actions from Piastri in this race or Max in Spain where comparable to the 21'' crash yet it was in all three cases 10 seconds. because penalties don't take into account the impact and are made as a punishment a deterrent and performance penalty to make sure drivers stay within said rules. I disagree with you on Max in Spain perhaps not very surprising. i refer to the stewards decisionwho clearly outlined why they pusnished it as an driver error and not a deliberate attack whatit what you seem to imply judgingon you earlier comments about this. I also find it telling tht you don't mention Russel did a similar move a few corners earlier. Which the stewards for some reason didn't punish, i would almost go all you mode and spam all comments claiming the stewards help Mercedes. but nope not today satan, sorry not sorry.08-07-2025 00:12